Why would Jews, educated, informed, sane Jews ever believe that their religion alone, among all others, magically made a people with a right to self determination?
Logic would say if Jews could claim land where some Jews once lived then so could any religion. Muslims could claim India and Spain which they ruled for 600 years, and much of Europe. Christians could claim Istanbul and much of Turkey which they ruled for a thousand years. Of course they cannot and neither can Jews.
It says a lot about the elitist and supremacist nature of Judaism that most Jews, not all, but most, believe they are exceptional and have a right which no other religion can claim.
I mean, if Jews can claim Palestine in violent genocide because some Jews lived there long ago then Palestinian Muslims and Christians have an even greater right to claim their 5000 year old homeland in violent genocide against anyone who is not a Muslim or Christian. Of course Palestinians are too sane and civilized for that but surely it is time for Jews to understand that what they do to others can be done to them and justifiably so.
Although that would require a high level of intellect and capacity for reason.
Yes, I understand that but am still curious as to how any intelligent, educated individual could believe something so silly and so elitist. Surely such a belief, logic would say, indicated inferior mental function not superior.
I mean such beliefs of supremacy and exceptionalism were common in centuries past and in less developed systems, but to continue to believe such things in the 21st century indicates a lack of maturity and optimal mental function.
I don’t think it’s silly to them. Consider the Brahmin class. They absolutely believe they are the apex of the Indian Society, as in genuinely. Elitist, sure, but silly, no. At least to them it’s not silly.
I understand it is not silly to them but my point was that anyone with a capacity for rational thought along with an understanding of human beings, anthropology, psychology would know it was an irrational and unscientific belief.
It is an example of how brainwashed people can be culturally, religiously and socially. And how intelligence is far more than mere educational qualifications.
Parsees also believe they are superior as humans but they are dying out in India because of inbreeding. I mean such beliefs were common in primitive times but why would people hold onto them in the 21st century?
It probably indicates an inferiority complex where the individual needs to hold to a belief in superiority to balance the unconscious sense of inferiority. Whatever the cause it is backward and destructive.
I wonder if you have considered the question of how closely the set of "elitists" and the set of "educated individuals" can be mapped onto one another?
Rational thought can open us to expressing and developing emotional intelligence but the rational mind and the emotional mind function differently and are different systems.
Rational thought recognises that feelings need to be respected but not necessarily acted upon, i.e. managing anger.
Rational thought aligns with emotional intelligence to recognise the humanity of all.
Rational thought can help us respect and honour emotional intelligence in ourselves and in others. To that degree it can help to develop it, which is creation.
I agree 💯! Thank you! Maybe it’s time to finally take the spotlight away from the issue and the labeling surrounding “Jews are this way or that way”—because it’s constantly being exploited and thus never loses its significance! It shouldn’t be about what you believe or which ethnic group you belong to. It should be about the fact that no one has the right to act that way. But if we constantly mention identity in the same breath, there will never be a discourse free from this narrative.
I've said it before, that I don't mean to take away from your piece by sharing a personal example, but I usually seem to find a similar
narrative in my story most every time. This is another of those times!
(Growing up, I too thought I was liberated living in the States. I certainly derived pride from it aka patriotism. 🤮 I was told that this country was the best, freeest, richest, strongest, most compassionate ....... until I started to see that it wasn't/isn't. I started to come undone, needing to examine (and dismantle) most everything I knew and was.
Continuing attitude adjustment occurring even now. 🤔)
Most of us are in the matrix, just different location. Hopefully more are realizing that it's not a good place to be.
Americans have been brainwashed and lied to for most of their existence. In the age of the internet it is harder to hide the truth that Americans, on average have the poorest quality of life in the developed world; the worst health; the worst worker wages, rights and conditions; the worst healthcare; the worst education system and the highest rates of poverty, often Third World, and working poor of any developed nation.
Senor, I believe this perspective has many close neighbors on that spectrum that could shed much needed light on Why Jews Aren't Human Cockroaches, ye olde extremist pogrom excuse, currently gaining new traction. Netanyahu likes it when you beat a Jew, just not on his photo-op. Jew is just a concept exploited in recent centuries by a bloated semi-covert nominally Jewish plutocracy that in turn Machiavellized itself into the classic Epstein portfolio we see now. It's an ancient brand that comes around most every empire.
Xtian extremists did it with justifications for slavery centuries past. Muslim elite extremists have their flavor of murderous fanatical child-sacrificing and so forth. Jewry was granted a home nation in their ancient long-lost turf, and having zero clue about being a nation of its own, incapable of coexisting with its neighbors because it was always driven at its core by Greater Israel Zionist expansionism and some classically horrendous ubermenschality (now THAT is a convoluted neologism).
I wish I could agree with your final statement but I discovered that liberation is personal. I believe we are each made free when we acknowledge the truth. I wish I could believe in a world all peoples are free but...
It is impossible to get beyond the conclusion that there is something in most followers of Judaism which prevents or impedes rational thinking and the application of principles of justice, rule of law, human rights and common human decency to everyone.
Full marks to the tiny few who always, or, over the years have condemned and rejected the Zionist State but they always were a trivial minority and still remain a significant minority which cannot save the religion or those who call themselves Jews and support the terrorist state which slaughters constantly, not just in Palestine but in the region. And indeed threatens to do so further afield to anyone, absolutely anyone who ever demands accountability for atrocities committed by Jews.
How much of that comes from Judaism and how much from Zionism and how much from the existence of Israel, the so-called Jewish State, which is in essence a Cult, a hermetically sealed pot of Jewish supremacism and victimhood, is not as important as the fact that all of its manifestations are sadistic, cruel, unjust, evil, savage in terms of non-Jews. Particularly Arabs and Muslims but plenty of Christians are being murdered, tortured, raped and their homes destroyed and the Israelis have threatened Europeans and Americans, anyone who dares to challenge their atrocities.
Give a group of Jews the sort of power they have in what is called Israel and they create levels of bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty which rank as some of the worst in human recorded history. I mean, what other State has intentionally murdered children as Israel does and worse, openly gloated, boasted and rejoiced in it as if they have some right to inflict the worst of horrors on non-Jews and never be called to account. And that of course is exactly what they have done for nearly 80 years.
This is what happens to humans who are encouraged, enabled and allowed to commit crimes and never called to account or punished for their atrocities. If this lot were chosen for anything it was to demonstrate that even in our modern world humans can sink to the most depraved and debased levels very easily. They make the Nazis, long held as the epitome of evil, but no more, look positively civilized.
If the State, society, culture were an individual it would have been locked up long ago in an institution for the criminally insane in order to protect the individual and everyone else. For a State the only answer is dismantling utterly all that it is and banning Zionism and demanding Judaism and its followers repent and make reparation, along with anyone and everyone who has ever assisted the State since it was conceived in 1897 and founded and formed in 1947/48, as well as enabling its function ever since.
Why would Jews, educated, informed, sane Jews ever believe that their religion alone, among all others, magically made a people with a right to self determination?
Logic would say if Jews could claim land where some Jews once lived then so could any religion. Muslims could claim India and Spain which they ruled for 600 years, and much of Europe. Christians could claim Istanbul and much of Turkey which they ruled for a thousand years. Of course they cannot and neither can Jews.
It says a lot about the elitist and supremacist nature of Judaism that most Jews, not all, but most, believe they are exceptional and have a right which no other religion can claim.
I mean, if Jews can claim Palestine in violent genocide because some Jews lived there long ago then Palestinian Muslims and Christians have an even greater right to claim their 5000 year old homeland in violent genocide against anyone who is not a Muslim or Christian. Of course Palestinians are too sane and civilized for that but surely it is time for Jews to understand that what they do to others can be done to them and justifiably so.
Although that would require a high level of intellect and capacity for reason.
Daniel will probably answer but I'm guessing ---- a combination of brainwashing plus ego. We/most of us like to think we're better than others.
Yes, I understand that but am still curious as to how any intelligent, educated individual could believe something so silly and so elitist. Surely such a belief, logic would say, indicated inferior mental function not superior.
I mean such beliefs of supremacy and exceptionalism were common in centuries past and in less developed systems, but to continue to believe such things in the 21st century indicates a lack of maturity and optimal mental function.
I don’t think it’s silly to them. Consider the Brahmin class. They absolutely believe they are the apex of the Indian Society, as in genuinely. Elitist, sure, but silly, no. At least to them it’s not silly.
I understand it is not silly to them but my point was that anyone with a capacity for rational thought along with an understanding of human beings, anthropology, psychology would know it was an irrational and unscientific belief.
It is an example of how brainwashed people can be culturally, religiously and socially. And how intelligence is far more than mere educational qualifications.
Parsees also believe they are superior as humans but they are dying out in India because of inbreeding. I mean such beliefs were common in primitive times but why would people hold onto them in the 21st century?
It probably indicates an inferiority complex where the individual needs to hold to a belief in superiority to balance the unconscious sense of inferiority. Whatever the cause it is backward and destructive.
I wonder if you have considered the question of how closely the set of "elitists" and the set of "educated individuals" can be mapped onto one another?
Very close but education does not create intelligence.
Yes.... exactly.
I would also encourage you to give consideration to the question of whether *rational thought* can create emotional intelligence.
Rational thought can open us to expressing and developing emotional intelligence but the rational mind and the emotional mind function differently and are different systems.
Rational thought recognises that feelings need to be respected but not necessarily acted upon, i.e. managing anger.
Rational thought aligns with emotional intelligence to recognise the humanity of all.
Rational thought can help us respect and honour emotional intelligence in ourselves and in others. To that degree it can help to develop it, which is creation.
I agree 💯! Thank you! Maybe it’s time to finally take the spotlight away from the issue and the labeling surrounding “Jews are this way or that way”—because it’s constantly being exploited and thus never loses its significance! It shouldn’t be about what you believe or which ethnic group you belong to. It should be about the fact that no one has the right to act that way. But if we constantly mention identity in the same breath, there will never be a discourse free from this narrative.
Very good! 👏
Thank you!!
I've said it before, that I don't mean to take away from your piece by sharing a personal example, but I usually seem to find a similar
narrative in my story most every time. This is another of those times!
(Growing up, I too thought I was liberated living in the States. I certainly derived pride from it aka patriotism. 🤮 I was told that this country was the best, freeest, richest, strongest, most compassionate ....... until I started to see that it wasn't/isn't. I started to come undone, needing to examine (and dismantle) most everything I knew and was.
Continuing attitude adjustment occurring even now. 🤔)
Most of us are in the matrix, just different location. Hopefully more are realizing that it's not a good place to be.
Americans have been brainwashed and lied to for most of their existence. In the age of the internet it is harder to hide the truth that Americans, on average have the poorest quality of life in the developed world; the worst health; the worst worker wages, rights and conditions; the worst healthcare; the worst education system and the highest rates of poverty, often Third World, and working poor of any developed nation.
Yes! You are so right!
Senor, I believe this perspective has many close neighbors on that spectrum that could shed much needed light on Why Jews Aren't Human Cockroaches, ye olde extremist pogrom excuse, currently gaining new traction. Netanyahu likes it when you beat a Jew, just not on his photo-op. Jew is just a concept exploited in recent centuries by a bloated semi-covert nominally Jewish plutocracy that in turn Machiavellized itself into the classic Epstein portfolio we see now. It's an ancient brand that comes around most every empire.
Xtian extremists did it with justifications for slavery centuries past. Muslim elite extremists have their flavor of murderous fanatical child-sacrificing and so forth. Jewry was granted a home nation in their ancient long-lost turf, and having zero clue about being a nation of its own, incapable of coexisting with its neighbors because it was always driven at its core by Greater Israel Zionist expansionism and some classically horrendous ubermenschality (now THAT is a convoluted neologism).
I wish I could agree with your final statement but I discovered that liberation is personal. I believe we are each made free when we acknowledge the truth. I wish I could believe in a world all peoples are free but...
It is impossible to get beyond the conclusion that there is something in most followers of Judaism which prevents or impedes rational thinking and the application of principles of justice, rule of law, human rights and common human decency to everyone.
Full marks to the tiny few who always, or, over the years have condemned and rejected the Zionist State but they always were a trivial minority and still remain a significant minority which cannot save the religion or those who call themselves Jews and support the terrorist state which slaughters constantly, not just in Palestine but in the region. And indeed threatens to do so further afield to anyone, absolutely anyone who ever demands accountability for atrocities committed by Jews.
How much of that comes from Judaism and how much from Zionism and how much from the existence of Israel, the so-called Jewish State, which is in essence a Cult, a hermetically sealed pot of Jewish supremacism and victimhood, is not as important as the fact that all of its manifestations are sadistic, cruel, unjust, evil, savage in terms of non-Jews. Particularly Arabs and Muslims but plenty of Christians are being murdered, tortured, raped and their homes destroyed and the Israelis have threatened Europeans and Americans, anyone who dares to challenge their atrocities.
Give a group of Jews the sort of power they have in what is called Israel and they create levels of bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty which rank as some of the worst in human recorded history. I mean, what other State has intentionally murdered children as Israel does and worse, openly gloated, boasted and rejoiced in it as if they have some right to inflict the worst of horrors on non-Jews and never be called to account. And that of course is exactly what they have done for nearly 80 years.
This is what happens to humans who are encouraged, enabled and allowed to commit crimes and never called to account or punished for their atrocities. If this lot were chosen for anything it was to demonstrate that even in our modern world humans can sink to the most depraved and debased levels very easily. They make the Nazis, long held as the epitome of evil, but no more, look positively civilized.
If the State, society, culture were an individual it would have been locked up long ago in an institution for the criminally insane in order to protect the individual and everyone else. For a State the only answer is dismantling utterly all that it is and banning Zionism and demanding Judaism and its followers repent and make reparation, along with anyone and everyone who has ever assisted the State since it was conceived in 1897 and founded and formed in 1947/48, as well as enabling its function ever since.
That's the conclusion that that old Jew Charlie Marx came to.....
Answer to "what difference does it make ..." -- as long as you have shekels
You move freely. You even could board a plane and go for holidays.
You can eat what you want. When you want.
You go to school and university.
You have work to get the shekels.
You have healthcare.
You have a home, a kitchen, a bathroom, a bed, electricity and water.
Your police and the IDF protects you.
Your laws protect you.
As for solving the injustice of "the matrix" aka capitalism, you just have to wait a bit
for the Palestinians to do the work for you.
Wondering out loud, if you care to reply .....
From your perspective, who you know, etc ...
are more Jews waking up, or are more content with things and their life as is?